Qadiyani's grandson converting to Islam?
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, founder of the Ahmadiyya movement. Personality who claimed to be a Mujadid of the 14th Islamic century, promised Second Coming of Christ, and the Mahdi awaited by the Muslims in the latter-days. Declares that Jesus survived the crucifixion and died a natural death.
Click here for more info on his claims.
Round about 15 minutes ago, we've heard from some people that this website claims that grandson of this "great" personality is converting to Islam... Ahmadiyya Founder's grandson is converting to Islam.
What is going on here? Is Mr. Qadiyani wrong or does the grandson not realize what he's doing?
Abdul Rahman, the grandson of Qadiyani, converted to Islam. He never knew about his grand-dad's book and "religion". He is the son of Nasser, the 3rd Caliphate of The Qadiyani's.
Once he read what his grand-dad was preaching, he denied that belief and accepted Islam. Now, when he was asked whether he embraced Islam or not and answerd YES! He was beaten almost to dead, he was brought straight away to First Aid and never wanted to accept Qadiyani's again. Even if it'll take his life!
Whoever it is speaking is talking really weird, as if he has been forced to do so.
We should not call the qadiyani's Ahmadis. They are far from being associated to such a glorious name.
This is a shame, that a Ahmeddy aka Qadiyani, can't embrace Islam without getting beaten up to First-Aid!
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Who beat up whom? This is a Sunni lie as another commentator has pointed out. In a country of 140 million Sunnis, Sunnis did not take this matter to their own court presided by Sunni judges rand prove the case via free trial as that would also require some minimal proof of this accusation and truth and providing proofs are not Sunnis' problem. Sunnis lie their head off all the time specially when it comes to Ahmadis, that is when they are not committing terrorism or blowing innocent people up all over world.
This news is false Sunni propaganda as usual, but below new is absolutely true. Shame on Sunni religion, the religion of hate, lies and terrorism.
Ahmadi leader shot dead in Ferozewala
* Victim’s son claims police took no action despite being intimated about threats
http://tinyurl.com/yh7e7zq
Police ‘unwilling’ to arrest Ahmadi leader’s murderers
DSP concerned says he was on leave, did not know about case, official record contradicts DSP’s claims
Accused allegedly threatening family to withdraw case or face further consequences
http://tinyurl.com/yhdd6x8
LOLLLLL"
Who died in toilet? Your father? Care to elaborate and provide some evidence? Oh but telling truth and providing evidence is not Sunni terrorist religion's hallmark. Sorry I asked.
PAKISTAN: Two murdered and 15 charged as discrimination against Ahmadis continues unabated
http://ahrchk.net/...ments/mainfile.php/2009statements/1947/
Muslims Burn Christians Alive In Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSrpf5vRyuM
Books are written about it, while he claimed to die in Meccah or Madinah
http://www.yanabi.com/forum/Topic25215-44-8.aspx#bm354372
http://alhafeez.org/rashid/Alfatwa5.html
http://www.defence.pk/...issues/7546-mirza-ghulam-ahmad.html
http://www.paklinks.com/...33712-who-mirza-ghulam-ahmad.html
http://chasing-jannah.blogspot.com/...-mirza-ahmed-liar.html
http://chasing-jannah.blogspot.com/...-mirza-ahmed-liar.html
And he's even on the famous strangedangerdeath website:
http://www.strangedangers.com/content/item/112928.html
Books are written about it, while he claimed to die in Meccah or Madinah"
Books are written and videos are made like this fake Sunni claiming to be someone’s son. Problem is Sunnis lie all the time. Where is proof from Ahmadiyya book or sources?
You make up something sitting at home and write a book about it that is no evidence. You Sunnsi are not liars and terrorists you are too stupidified to understand that hearsay is NOT evidence. Where is evidence? If something happens in a household how does anyone from outside know? You are made so dumb by your Sunni terrorist lying Mullahs that you dumb Sunnis don’t even understand the argument. Someone from this site who appear to be educated should explain this to these village idiot Sunnis.
May Allah swt help y'all!
"When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish".
As this clip shows, the Qadiani 'religion' is running out of time
ps. if any of u Qadiani 'muslims' are tryin to set up a debate, do it fast (cos I cnt wait)
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me."
(Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548;
Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's own eldest son, Fadl Ahmad, did not believe in the claims of his father and did not respond to his call. In fact, when Fadl Ahmad died, Mirza Ghulam refused to participate in his funeral prayers!
(Al-Fadl, 22 April, 1941 and 2 May, 1941)
check my post 25 again
he says tht every muslim believes in him except those who are the offspring of prostitutes ..
his own son didnt believe his father ..
so was his son then a bastard ?
was Qadiani calling indirectly his wife a prostitute ?
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me."
(Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548;
Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548)"
So? What should one say to those who insult prophets and associate lies with him? If you think Salman Rushdie is a nice person and not accursed then good for you.
Sunni fatwas call for killing of blasphemers, how is that better than calling them what they are ie accursed ones?
Idiot Sunni terrorists!
(Al-Fadl, 22 April, 1941 and 2 May, 1941)"
So? Hazrat Nuh's son did not believe him. Hazrat Lut's wife did not believe him. Hazrat Ibrahim's father did not believe him. What is your point?
Another Sunni idiot opening his mouth without knowing what he's talking about.
Where did he say anything about "believing"? Read his words again;
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except..."
Any mention of any of these Muslims having to become Ahmadi Muslim, as long as they don't treat with disdain the words of god?
You Sunnis are all liars.
There is a big different between "believing" and opposing and insulting prophet. Abu Talib did not "believe" in holy prophet buts did not oppose Holy Prophet saw so he was acceptable. Same with other non-believers who do not actively oppose or insult prophets.
Firstly, instead of going on websites and finding your claims, why not pick up books by this man named Ghulam Ahmed, he wrote in Persian, Urdu and English, why not read these books then conduct an argument for or against the man and the Ahmadiyya community. Educating oneself from websites is preposterous.
Secondly a short story,
My best friend, lets call her Juliet fell in love with a Persian Muslim Sunni brother, let's call him Romeo. This is a true story! Juliet was AHMADI however Romeo was and is Sunni. Juliet being strong headed and someone who held Ahmadiyyat as true made a condition on Romeo, she said if you are to marry me, (keep in mind Romeo is head over heels for Juliet), you must read all the Ahmadi scriptures, ie. the books written by Ghulam Ahmed in Persian, Urdu and English. Secretly Juliet had such strong faith in Ahmadiyya that she thought whilst reading the books Romeo will see the truth and automatically become an Ahmadi. Along the process, I was there as well and we were all learning while I was learning about Islam in general and its different sects. After extensive research and I mean years, not months and not merely googling websites to attain knowledge, by the grace of God Juliet became Sunni and Romeo confirmed his belief about Ahmadiyyat, and stayed a Sunni. Through this process I learnt a lot about Amadiyyat myself and the biases I held and Juliet held were all removed. Here are some facts that most of you have gotten wrong...
Before I write these facts, I must say why on earth are you arguing about this, grown men speaking of who died in a toilet and who did not. I remember the glorious days of Islam when the general population would not argue about something so silly but would stay up all night in prayer and in intellectual discussions such as the details of Fiqh, or on the topic of metaphysics or the concept of Qu'ran. I feel so sad, as a convert.
1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed DID NOT DIE ON THE TOILET. A lot of Pakistani Sunnis, have distorted this simple fact to create rowdiness and hatred amongst the illiterate Sunni Masses. Truth is he caught a disease which affected his bowel system and died on his bed, amongst his family.
2. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed indeed believed he was a Prophet, and the Ahmadiyya community debate endlessly on the term seal, in the phrase pertaining to Prophet Muhammad pbuh being the Seal of the Prophets.
3. The Ahmadiyya community do not advocate Haram actions and there Kalima is the same as Sunnis. They do however have minor difference in there Wudhu, but that is only because Mirza Ghulam Ahmed fortified his own Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence)
4. The Ahmadiyya community has been tortured in Pakistan and Bengladesh extensively because they are considered non Muslims, yet put the Kalima and other Muslim oriented phrases on there Mosques. I know many Ahmadi families who have lost a son or a brother to illiterate Pakistani Muslim men, who believe to kill an Ahmadi is Jihad.
5.I know of the town called Rabwah, and quite frankly speaking its not full of evil spirits and black magic witches as a lot of Pakistani educated Muslims believe in Pakistan, it is a normal town full of families that follow a sect.
6. As for the video, I have no knowledge of the factual aspects of the man's claims. However to be fair if one leaves Ahmadiyya one is out-casted from the sect, one is not allowed to see his or her family and one is highly humiliated.
7. Amadi's do not pray behind non Ahmadi's. They feel that they had been mistreated and so should not follow the wider community. They do not go to Sunni functions and if they do they do not pray behind a Sunni Imam, including when they visit Mecca/Medina. They are a victim of the minority system and because atrocities have been committed against them, they now hold a general perception that all non-Ahmadi's are warlocks.
8. I am not going to go into the details of Ghulam Ahmed claims as I advise you to research yourself and come to the truth (Sunni Islam). When I state research I mean reading books, and understanding both perspectives not just pasting websites on this forum. However I will state the following
A) Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was an avid Sunni, Sufi Muslim until he reached a certain point in his life, and believed he started receiving claims
B) Mirza ghulam Ahmed was highly influenced by Ibn Arabi, distorted his claims and started believing he was Jesus, Buddha and the Messiah reincarnated. This theme of reincarnation can also have been stemmed from Hindu ideology, as Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is from India.
C) Mirza Ghulam Ahmed combined the four schools of Fiqh but never formally compiled a book of his own Ahmadiyya fiqh. So...the community tends to have various interpretations of rulings and they vary from one household to another.
9. Ahmadi's are not different from Ismaili's or other sects that have deviated from the right path, but because they have dealt with the fragile issue of Prophet-hood they have been highly criticized. One must remember though that at the time of the Prophet pbuh and afterwards many individuals claimed to be Prophets or Messiahs, this is the way of the world.
10. My personal opinion on the Ahmadiyya community:
I have known and visited the community for a very long time. They genuinely believed Ghulam Ahmed is a Prophet, or reformer and really hate the fellow Sunni "Mullahs" on the basis that they have been ostracized for being Ahmadi. There homes have been burnt, possessions have been taken and they also have been secularized. Thus the recent influx of Ahmadi migrants to nations such as England, Canada and Germany. I can understand there suffering on a humanitarian view point, as one should not be killed or belittled because of one's faith. However I am an avid Sunni Muslim, by the grace of God and I believe theologically Ahmadi's have really manipulated the scriptures. For example,
A)The concept of the finality of the Prophet, they have gotten that wrong. B)They also believe Jesus did not die on the cross and migrated to Kashmir. The majority of Ulema' speak differently and I will follow the majority as I do not have much knowledge.
C)They do not follow a specific fiqh nor do they have a book of Ahmadiyya fiqh. I believe fiqh is very important to Muslim life and do not understand how a community can operate without it. Thus Ahmadi's will have different interpretation of different matters, varying from one Ahmadi family to another.
D) Most Ahmadi's like people of Pakistan cannot recite the Qu'ran properly and tend to read Arabic wrong. In fact most Ahmadi scholars cannot speak Arabic, and the Arabic of Ghulam Ahmed as seen in his books is very weak. Arabic is the language of God you must know it.....to be a scholar, agreed?!
Lastly constructive debates are fine but prior to understanding the intricacies of different sects and offshoots of Islam one must master the basics. Waking up and completing prayers at assigned tasks, learning Fiqh, let it be Malliki or Hanafi etc. Purifying one's heart and so on, until then lets keep it out of the forums.
Annie Ain
Wht a wonderful comment sister
I personally see Ahmadi's as non- muslims, but despite the fact tht they are non-muslims (my opinion) no one should use violence against Ahmadi's or any other sect.
I've read his books, if others would read his books aswell;I think there wont be any discussion in the first place.
come back to MIE!
Actually questions were asked of the so called 'grandson' of the Promised Messiah. He got the simplest of the questions wrong. I mean how can someone not know who his sibling names were or who was the oldest or youngest sibling from childhood - and he happens to know that he is the grandson of the Promised Missah(as) - Hadzrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad!
Come on, truth speaks for itself!
See the video:
http://www.youtube.com/...?v=IGh1RIJMknM&feature=related
(Al-Fadl, March 20, 1928, P. 6-7; by Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani)
Why does the pious Hazrat (Mirza) get his legs and arms massaged by unrelated stranger women?
The truth came out...lol
Why don't Qadianis face Qadian when they pray Salah.
Do they think that Allah would have Makkah and Madina safeguarded islam by an incorrect sect. Naturay proves sunnis atre the right sect.
All Qadianis are doomed. They will realise when Munkir Nakir ask the 3 questions
Who is your lord
Whats your religion
Whose your prophet.
As far as massaging the legs of the Kalif, maybe she was giving anothe kind of releif to the Kafir Kalif